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Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 12:17:39 +1000
From: Martin Cooney
To: aussie-isp
Message-Id: <AE5415650BE985439A0FA429BA1AAD770E10BBDE@bnc.webcentral.com.au>
Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Oz-ISP] RE: [ Oz ISP ] Slow posts
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Hi All,

Interestingly, WebCentral uses Majordomo and has never experienced the
slowness conversed about here. I shot a note to one of our Mail Architects
for comment and in summary the response was :-

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' The default delivery mode for sendmail causes it to attempt a delivery
while the process that calls it waits for a response.  If the remote mail
server is slow or unreachable, this causes the calling process to block
while sendmail communicates with the remote server.

sendmail has another delivery mode that causes the message to be queued
rather than attempt immediate delivery, '-O DeliveryMode=q'.
In this case, messages are queued and sendmail exits immediately, allowing
the calling process to invoke sendmail again.  The mail is processed for
delivery by a sendmail daemon every few minutes.

I surmise that majordomo uses the default behaviour, resulting in slow
performance when sending mail to slow remote servers.  Since majordomo is
single threaded, a slow server is a bottleneck for the whole shebang.'
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Hopefully someone might find this useful.

Martin Cooney
Vice President - Technical Support, Asia/Pacific.
www.WebCentral.com
Level 5
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Fortitude Valley 4006
Ph: 1800 800 099
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Email: m a r t i n c @ w e b c e n t r a l . c o m
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Short [m a i l t o : b s h o r t @ s h o r t b o y . n e t
Sent: Saturday, 30 August 2003 10:53 AM
To: a u s s i e - i s p @ a u s s i e . n e t
Cc: Kai Jones
Subject: Re[2]: [Oz-ISP] RE: [ Oz ISP ] Slow posts

Hello All,

>> On 29 Aug 2003, at 10:12, Kai Jones pontificated from upon high:

>> I sent a ping to the list at 08:20 and the reply came through about five
>> seconds ago, time here is now 10:12 .....this is the only mailing list
I'm
>> on where there's a large delay.

This has a lot to do with the fact the list is running on majordomo.
Majordomo processes mail one at a time, and will not send the next
mail until the last one has been sent. Majordomo will sit there and
keep retrying to send email if the connection times out etc, before
sendmail tells it to give up (4 hour default), it will then move on to
the next email.

This is why its so incredibly slow, and why I moved all my lists to
mailman, that runs multiple threads to send mail - it just dumps all
to sendmail, and lets sendmail worry about the queuing - most mail
seems to be out within 10 mins with mailman :)

Ben
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Best regards,
Ben                            m a i l t o : b s h o r t @ s h o r t b o y . n e t

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