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Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:27:58 +1100
From: Craig Sanders To: aussie-isp Cc: aussie-isp Message-Id: <20060113102758.GW8779@taz.net.au> In-Reply-To: <001001c61824$cc2f9ec0$0264a8c0@spider> References: <F99B9985B4841745A5A49DF078D98B9FDE92E2@WIC001EBCLV1.exchange.server-login.com> <001001c61824$cc2f9ec0$0264a8c0@spider> Subject: Re: [Oz-ISP] Replacement list? |
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On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 07:36:14PM +1000, Admin - OzWide Internet wrote: > >...and to be honest we're (AUGNOG) not interested in having a list made > >of every tom, dick, harry, harriette, newbie, whirlpool user, pc shop > >employee etc. *unless* they are also involved in operating networks (and > >not a 192.x.x.x behind a linksys 'core router'). That's what Oz-ISP is > >for... > > well said > > my sentiments exactly an "actual" aus isp list is what is needed here > or a NOC list, I don't care what you call it. > > I think the issue I've seen is who would be "in" and who would be > "out" surely the list maintainer(or a board) can have some sort of > "credentials required" before you enter i really don't get this. is it some kind of snobbishness or what? it certainly doesn't serve any practical purpose. what's the point? it's still going to be a public list no matter what restrictions there are on subscribing. as soon as you post anything to the list, you effectively lose all control over distribution, duplication, and archiving of it. and if you think otherwise, you're just fooling yourself. a hasty post could embarass you next week or it could turn up and bite you on the arse in 3 years time. or whenever. the list is still not going to be suitable for confidential conversations. so, what's the point? > there's plenty of "whirlpool" type forums for everyone else, but > no real place for the actual network owners/wholesalers/admins to > congregate with a VISIBLE list of applicants > > while oz-isp was "ok-ish" you dont really know who is listening. that's an interesting to comment to make for an anonymous entity known only by the name of "Admin - Ozwide Internet". > i would like a forum or bulletin board that i can visit that has "you > have been subscribed to this thread" but i know thats to much to ask i suspect that most of us actually prefer mailing lists to crappy forums - email clients are much faster and more convenient than browsing some remote site. having to go and visit a forum is time consuming and a PITA, whereas mail just comes in all by itself and you can get around to reading and dealing with it when you have time. > Craig did take the initiative and build a new list.. props to him.. > but unfortunately its still a "let everyone in" club which is kind of > not what im after - altho i still do read ;) anyone here should have the skills to set up a list as i did. if they don't, then they don't really belong here. the "club" here is basically for anyone who can claim a significant connection to the internet industry - beyond that of just a user or customer. that mostly means ISPs and staff and people in related businesses, or relevant associations and societies. craig -- craig sanders <c a s @ t a z . n e t . a u ---- email "unsubscribe aussie-isp" to m a j o r d o m o @ a u s s i e . n e t to be removed. |
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